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Jim and George, Head to Head

We don't always follow the company line around here. We carry a selection of some of the best fly rods available on the market and sometimes we disagree on which one is best. Recently, George and Jim sat down and stated their case for which is the best trout rod currently being produced. Jim, is completely sold on the new Winston BIIx rods, while George is touting the superior performance of the Loomis Streamdance rods that he helped design. Regardless of which arguement you find most persuasive, you may find it heartening to know that sometimes even the experts disagree. Read Jim and George's reviews below and choose for yourself.

WINSTON BIIx UPDATE, By Jim Brungardt

Last winter we told you the new Winston BIIx rods were the best new rods to come along in over 10 years.  Well a year later everyone here in the shop owns at least one and a year later I’m even more convinced these rods will continue to lead the way in 2005.  We aren’t alone, Fly Rod and Reel has just given the Winston Biix a KUDO as one of the best new products for 2004. 

There are 3 rods in this series that stand out:

Winston Boron IIx - 9' #7

Here were my thoughts last year:

I know what you are thinking, "a 7weight, who buys a #7?" Well, I was in that camp until I cast this rod. I knew after the first cast, I was going to buy one and I did! This rod feels as light as any 5 weight, yet has the perfect amount of power to launch big hoppers or any dries out of a drift boat, and it will handle anything from smaller nymphs to larger streamers.

My thoughts about this rod haven’t changed one bit. I fished my #7 more than any other rod this past year.  Everyone here in the shop owns one (including George).  There is no better #7 weight rod  made and maybe no better rod made!  That’s a bold statement but it’s true.

Winston Boron IIx - 9' #5

We were all very impressed with the 9 foot #5. This is a rod that can do it all, and will be perhaps the best all around rod we'll offer for sale this year. Extremely light, yet loads perfectly with a #5 line. This is a wonderfully accurate rod, even in a stiff breeze. If I wasn’t so impressed with 9' #7 this would be the top dog.   All unnecessary weight has been eliminated from the ferrules, and then the new strong but lightweight titanium "recoil" guides are used. In addition to being very light, these guides actually flex under pressure, and are almost indestructible

Winston Boron IIx - 9' #6

The 9’#6 is also a great rod and may be the best all around rod on the market.  First, it casts beautifully at short distances and has a soft enough tip to protect light tippets.  The boron/graphite composite butt delivers plenty of power to reach out long distances.  This rod comes with an uplocking, maple or graphite composite spacer, reel seat. 

 

The BIIx rods became our best selling series of rods ever.  We could have sold even more if Winston was able to keep up with demand.  They are still trying to build up inventory so don’t be surprised if these rods are backordered.  If we don’t have one in stock we are usually able to get one to you within a couple of weeks.  Trust me, it will be worth the wait.

 

Loomis StreamDance GLX rods
By George Anderson

Most fly fishing anglers that have kept abreast of the evolution of Loomis GLX rods saw the lighter line weight black GLX rods vanish this past year.   G. Loomis introduced a new series of trout rods at the Denver Fly Tackle Dealer show in Sept. of 2003, called the StreamDance GLX rods, in line sizes from two through six.  Now that we’ve had a full year to fish these rods, do a lot of casting with them out on the lawn, and get reactions from customers that we’ve sold them to, we can say unequivocally that these rods have been a huge hit.   

Loomis has always had some of the finest casting fly rods in existence in their GLX series, especially if you were looking for a fly rod from line sizes six on up through twelve.   Their nine foot #8’s thru #12’s owned the market in terms of lightweight performance fly rods.    There is simply nothing out there that is so light in your hand yet has the explosive power of the GLX rods.

The knock on Loomis was their light line trout rods.   They were too stiff and didn’t look as nice as $600 fly rods from manufacturers like Sage and Winston.     With this in mind, Gary Loomis and head rod designer Steve Rajeff decided to revamp the line and come up a totally new line of Loomis rods.  Steve picked the name StreamDance, and they would be introduced at the Denver Fly Tackle Dealer show in the fall of 2003.  

What most people don’t know is that I was directly involved in the final designs of the StreamDance GLX rods, especially the Presentation series. Steve Rajeff and I have been friends for years, since doing Yellowstone Angler fly fishing schools together years ago, participating in sport shows together, and more recently doing a lot of fishing together both in fresh and salt water.

Steve wanted my input for these new StreamDance rods, and trusted my judgment on rod design, especially for the lighter spring creek rods that would be part of the new series.

We decided that two distinct series of new GLX rods were needed.   One series, that would be called the StreamDance GLX High Line Speed rods, would be closer to the original GLX rods that Steve designed.  They would be as powerful and as light as the original GLX’s, and all would be 4-piece rods.    The other rods would be called the StreamDance GLX Presentation series.  These would be softer rods that would load perfectly at short to medium distances with any given line size.  Again, most would be 4 piecers with the exception of the shortest rods, eight feet and under.  Those would be three piece rods.   

Several years ago I helped Sage and Don Green when they re-designed of some of their LL (Light Line) rods, when they jumped from Graphite II to Graphite III.  We came up with some especially nice rods like their classic 8 foot 9 inch #3 LL, as well as the 9 foot #4 LL.     

I wanted to see some Loomis rods that matched or surpassed the performance of those LL rods, and I’m happy to say that the new StreamDance Presentation series does in every way.   And more importantly, the StreamDance rods do it with 4 piece rods that are a whole lot easier to travel with than the old two and three piece Sage LL ‘s. 

In the winter and spring of 2003 I traveled out to Woodland Washington, where Steve and I cast all the StreamDance models and settled on the final designs.   Then later in the summer, Steve traveled here to Livingston where we cast the final prototypes and did a photo shoot on Armstrong’s and DePuy’s Spring Creeks.    If you look closely at the photos in the new StreamDance rod Catalog, you’ll see me out there on Armstrong’s Spring Creek, fishing the pool where the big spring comes off the hill.   At least they have a good shot of my back if you can’t see my face!  Ha, ha. 

Steve and I were both really happy with the way the new StreamDance GLX rods turned out.  And finally, Loomis has a series of lightweight trout rods that look as good as they cast! 

These rods all have lots of power in the butt and mid section yet have softer, more flexible tips that allow them to cast very delicately, yet accurately.  Even the light line rods Presentation GLX rods have plenty of butt power to play big fish or drill a long cast into the wind.  

The new StreamDance rods make a dramatic departure from the old black graphite, unfinished GLX rods.  The new rods are coated with a lovely olive green epoxy, with a satin finish that reduces glare and rod flash that can spook wily trout.  The cork handles are sized to the individual rods, with the Presentation series using smaller Payne style handles that feel perfect on these lighter line rods.    To reduce rod weight even further and compliment the extremely fine tips on the StreamDance GLX rods, new Nickel/Titanium single-foot “Recoil” guides are used.   These guides are like Flexon frame glasses – they will bend but spring back to their original shape with no damage.   Perfect for fly rods that are always getting stepped on in the boat!     We also ditched the old Fuji ceramic stripping guides that are prone to puke out their ceramic rings at the slightest whack on the side of the boat.  Flexible nickel/titanium coil stripping guides that cannot break do the job for the new rods.    

Leaving no stone unturned, Steve decided to utilize dramatically different reel seats. – Olive anodized aluminum with a distinctively different wood burl in each skeleton seat.   

So, now you’re convinced that you need to try one of these new StreamDance GLX’s, but which one??    Here are my personal picks for the most sensational trout rods you’ll find today – anywhere! 

StreamDance GLX Presentation Series:

FR1043-4 SD GLX-  8’8” #3 Line, 4 Pc.  Medium fast action.   $610.00

If you like to fish a #3 line rod a lot like I do, look no farther.   This rod will do it all.  This rod has the ability to make accurate, delicate casts with small flies, even in hard breeze.  Loads perfectly with a standard WF-3-F line and has a soft enough tip to protect 6X and 7X tippets, even if you slam the fish too hard on the strike.   Plenty of butt power to chuck nymphs and even smaller wooly buggers.  

FR1024-4 SD GLX - 8’6” #4 Line, 4 Pc.  Medium fast action.   $610.00

Of all the StreamDance rods, this is my favorite.   It’s just the sweetest 4 line rod I’ve ever used.  Like all the Presentation series rods, this loads solidly with a WF-4-F line.   The soft tip lets you cast very accurately in close, casting off the tip of the rod, yet if you need to reach out and throw 60 or even 70 feet, you can do it with ease.   Perfect for fishing light tippets like 6X and 7X, even if you are a bit heavy handed.     In a recent issue of Sporting Classics, where they tested a half dozen of the best 4 weight rods around, this rod came out on top.  The author called it the finest dry fly rod he had ever cast!

StreamDance GLX High Line Speed Series:

FR1025-4 SD GLX  - 8’6” #5 Line, 4 Pc.   Fast Action.  $620.00

Quite possibly the finest all around fly rod in the world!  A very light and effortless dry fly rod that has the capability of firing accurate casts into the harshest winds.   This rod has a fast action with a soft tip that makes it a wonderful nymph fishing rod.  It’s lightning fast when you set the hook, yet the soft tip will keep you from breaking off big fish while using 4X-6X tippets.

StreamDance Max Line Speed

FR1085-4 SD GLX-  9’ #5/6 Line, 4 Pc.  Fast Action.  $625.00

At first I wasn’t that keen on this rod, which was Steve Rajeff’s favorite of the whole bunch.  Now, I’m sold.   This rod had so much power and pop, we just called it simply:  The MAX.    Later it became the Max Line Speed.   In the catalog we termed the power Extra-Stiff, and that’s an understatement.     This rod is a rocket for those quick shots out of a drift boat, or for launching big wind resistant hopper patterns with a 6-weight line.     For nearly everyone other than World Champion distance caster Steve Rajeff, you’ll want to put a #6 line on this rod.  Light in weight yet unbelievable power.   I took this rod to Alaska last fall and used it one day on the Brooks River, having a blast landing one rainbow after another in the 25-27 inch class – solid eight and nine pound fish!    This rod took all the punishment I could dish out and then some!  

 

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